Still wouldn't be an easy fight for him though. If you don't face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the war will be lost. Sidious at his most powerful still is no slouch, but he does go down. The Skywalkers, Palpatine, some of the Banite Sith, a few of the old Sith Lords, Yoda, perhaps Windu, and a few of the Old Republic Jedi are the only ones who could be said to be stronger. Every Sith Lord enters a state of self awareness upon joining the order. He disregards an apprentice he did want (Maul) in favour of an apprentice he didn't (Tyranus). He abandons Maul and Savage Oppress even though Maul requests to be his apprentice once more. I don't think Palpatine ever thought he would be overthrown. Both you and /u/Darth_Terry used the term "high diff". If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. The bigger the threat, the stronger Palpatine needs to be to survive it. "Some things are stronger than blood," Luke tells Rey in The Rise of Skywalker, ... and by crowning a Palpatine as the last living Skywalker in the end, Abrams suggests the same. Due to the overall outcome of Star Wars, many would say Luke is stronger. Why did Palpatine want a stronger apprentice, who, unlike the crippled Vader, could potentially overthrow him? Stronger than Luke?! Why need an apprentice at all? But the plan failed, and when Luke refused to fight, Palpatine attempted to simply kill the young Jedi, assaulting him with vicious blasts of Force lightning as Vader looked on. Palpatine believed he would be that. As the apprentice they must constantly task themselves with the ability to learn and crave power. The power that the Sith seek is unlocked by a partnership. He was still powerful enough to act as the Emperor's enforcer but not powerful enough to overthrow Palpatine, because one blast of force lightning would fry his suit's electronics. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker might have been released more than a year ago now, but there are still some mysteries that Star Wars is slowly answering. I think there was some reason that using cloned bodies doesn't work as good as another person's for the whole mind-transfer-thingy, but I can't remember what exactly right now. Luke Skywalker: Rey, some things are stronger than blood. Luke, on the other hand, I feel would have killed Vader at … Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! So, trained right. You are indeed where you belong. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. Iirc he wanted an able-bodied apprentice because he knew that using the dark side of the force leads to faster bodily decay. He was raised in his family's ancestral home, Convergence, situated in Naboo's Lake Country, and had at least two brothers and two sisters.From an early age, Palpatine identified himself as different from his peers and siblings, recognizing a great power within himself, and believing that he was born to lead, which led to an uneasy relationship with his family. Your heart. In Star Wars: Darth Vader #5, that very question gets answered, and it gets answer hard when Vader defies his master the Emperor Palpatine and the dark lord's response is to lay Vader flat. At their most powerful? 2013-12-03 12:59:21 If it comes to hand-to-hand unarmed raw combat, then of course. Yoda is a skilled fighter, as seen during his battle with Darth Sidious in Revenge of … He just wants to rule the universe. The inquisitors couldn't handle half-trained Jedi like Kanan and Ezra and Palpatine didn't want to personally expose himself to danger. Palpatine is chaos; Yoda is peace. you never know, he could've been as powerful, if not more because of his knowledge of the dark side. yoda i am very sad to say was lucky to survive his fight with palpy so he is not better than Palpatine. Rey is included because there's no doubt that she will become one of the strongest Jedi ever. And keep in mind, Yoda was 800 years old and Palpatine was a human, only having trained with the force for that amount of time. Because despite everything else, Palpatine is utterly devoted to the Sith religion. 2013-10-19 06:59:14 At 8/30/13 08:33 PM, FlakJaketPro wrote: I think Mace actually could have won. -_-Well, Hayden did say that Galen is supposed to be a dark anti-thesis of Luke and that he is what Luke would've been if he had joined Vader or had been raised by Vader. More Powerful - The Priestesses. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Luke High-diff. Anakin was the strongest and best. Fans of the Jedi Order have vouched for the Light Side whereas lovers of the Sith have made it abundantly clear the Dark Side cannot be stymied and will always find a way to return, ergo … They need the ambition and desire for power to drive them towards greatness if they seek to gain and hold control over the galaxy. She may not currently be… In terms of fighting, most would agree they’re fairly evenly matched. By Stefan Kyriazis PUBLISHED: 12:19, Sun, Dec 3, 2017 I agree Luke would win most of the time but not because he became one with the force ,Revan and Barris offe both became one with he force but sidious would beat them with ease. Rey: Leia's saber. Even to Luke. Yoda could… and obi wan is not better than Anakin like someone said with the sports example, Anakin's arrogance over came him. Rey, some things are stronger than blood. While it may make sense to some, this doesn't make sense to me because if he took on a stronger apprentice, wouldn't that mean he would eventually be overthrown by said apprentice? In ROTJ Palpatine wants to replace Vader with Luke, because Luke is stronger than the crippled Vader, who depends on his life support suit and has limited Force potential due to his prosthetic limbs. Due to Darth Vader’s unique ties to The Force, it’s often assumed that he’s the more powerful. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. What do you think of all the people saying Revan was close to some of the strongest force users ever? Response to Mace Windu stronger than Palpatine? Luke basically became one with the force, absolutely crushes Palpatine. Now I'm curious. Mace is good but definately better than Anakin, Luke. He also never expected Vader to turn on him which is why he was so easily defeated. What's the official tier list of everyone? There's no question about it: Emperor Palpatine is demonstrably stronger than Darth Vader. What does this mean? I don't know shit about Starwars EU but from what I've heard around this sub, Luke is force Jesus. The strange thing about that return, of course, is that Palpatine died in Return of the Jedi, more than three decades ago in both real-world time and Star Wars continuity. It seems like C-3PO is about to say that Emperor Palpatine put the rule in place, but he gets cut off. Your destiny. He threw away a small empire and diminished the overall size of his Galactic Empire that he eventually formed. But even if they were matched in power, Palpatine’s lack of limit and relentless quest for domination may have overpowered Yoda’s concentrated morals. Yoda was the wisest and the most powerful Jedi, having lived for 900 years and trained Jedi for 800 years. He does this for one reason: The Rule of Two. I don't think there was a point in either the Bespin or Death Star 2 duels in which Vader was outright trying to kill Luke. Even if it's just those who are more powerful it's more than enough for me … Why not just a bunch of weak inquisitors to do all the dirty work? and he got his revenge with him later. Palpatine surely could have gone that route if all he needed was an enforcer. Palpatine grew terrifically powerful as time passed throughout the Galactic Civil War, and was likely riding pretty high on the dark side when he faced Yoda. Although Palpatine is possibly the most hate filled and greedy person in the galaxy, Mace is a force to be reckoned with. I'm not sure who'd win there. If the apprentice never learns what the master knows and becomes more powerful then the Sith won't move forward. Yoda encountered the Priestesses on his journey of discovery, … Response to Mace Windu stronger than Palpatine? I'm sure he felt he could turn him and manipulate him the rest of his life to never turn on him. Palpatine was too focused on longevity to tune his abilities to his full potential. o_0 lol... no. Vader seems to be stronger with the force, or at least he displays it more. But manipulation, clouding force sense, all that jazz is Palpatine's speciality, not fisticuffs. They should have a physical need to be the master. Without someone to keep them on their toes, and spur them to reach and burrow deeper into the Force, the solo Sith Lord won't get quite as far as if he had someone at his side. Nah, I think Palpatine lost that Windu fight on purpose, and him and Yoda were almost evenly matched - but he was still stronger. Your destiny. Luke: Because she saw your spirit. Optimally he wanted an apprentice as strong as possible but still less powerful than himself. Is this a brawl? Interesting question. There's not an official tier list, but it goes something like. By "Revenge of the Sith," Palpatine pretty much had control of the Senate. Mercedes Formula 1 boss Toto Wolff expects Red Bull to be a "much stronger opponent" in 2021 after signing Sergio Perez to partner Max Verstappen. He was an arrogant ego maniac and master manipulator. Even though fundamentally, those consumed by the dark side are selfish and seek power for themselves above all, they understand that there are limits to going alone. That's true for the Sith, but not for Palpatine. Sidious really is no slouch but by the near-end of SW with the abeloth business Luke has more than made up the skill difference, as well as building a varied set of techniques and powers to draw on. STAR WARS 8 filmmakers confirm Snoke is the most powerful Dark Side Force user in Star Wars history, more than Darth Vader or Emperor Palpatine. Two of the most powerful force users of thei era, Darth Sidious and Master Yoda. Luke is said to represent Anakin's full potential, if Anakin had lived to achieve it rather than suffer the horrible fate that made him more machine than man. spoiler In ROTJ Palpatine wants to replace Vader with Luke, because Luke is stronger than the crippled Vader, who depends on his life support suit and has … If you don’t face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the world will be lost. There's something my sister would want you to have. Plagueis and Sidious' manipulation of the Living Force, Sidious and Tyrannus' phantom vision attack on Yoda, and Maul getting Ezra to help him unlock Malachor are all examples of this. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Palpatine was powerful, but Luke had a much stronger connection to the Force overall. All at once . Other Rebel pilots like Wedge Antilles are still alive, and they keep firing, fighting the good fight while Luke reaches within himself to fly his plane and land the shots he needs to land. Googling turns up no answers. WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, in theaters now.. For decades, debates have raged which side is more powerful than the other in the Star Wars Universe. Anakin managed to tame the Brother and Sister at a much lower power level than EU Luke, and Luke defeated the Mother (Abeloth) in single combat, but the Father never really throws down, so gauging his abilities is hard. Lucas further measures that Luke's Force potential was twice as powerful as Emperor Palpatine. My interpretation of the Bane novels was that, when a Dark Side master becomes strong, the Dark Side fills them with an urge to pass the power down to a successor, that isn't necessarily anything to do with their logical wishes, even if it can be justified (needing a partner for missions etc). Yoda’s trainee and protege, Luke Skywalker is often thought to be one of the most powerful and influential Jedi to ever… As for combat, I dunno. Palpatine was stated by multiple sources (all Legends, to be fair, and the last was a few years before the Plagueis novel) to be the strongest Sith of all time. both EU Versions, at their most powerful. Never seemed that strong to me. While Han is busy distracting the Empire’s forces— primarily Darth Vader— Luke still has to actually destroy the Death Star. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. When it comes to combat skills, there’s no question that Palpatine was far more capable with a lightsaber in his hands than Snoke. You don't become stronger by not challenging yourself as hard as possible. Palpatine is immensely powerful, but there's no question that Luke surpassed him. Each generation is more powerful than the last and moves the Sith closer to the final goal, Except Palp specifically ended the rule of 2. But the master must be the embodiment of power. Since like seems to stomp, how about Luke vs the three force lords from clone wars. Luke high diff. To not do so makes them unworthy of being the apprentice. Luke actually can’t take down the Death Star only by himself. If his apprentice will never grow stronger than him then he should cast him aside and find a stronger apprentice with better growth potential. and then the fourth spot has a ton of competition between the rest of the Skywalker family and maybe people like Yoda or Nihilus. Why would he want to put his own life at risk by taking on a stronger apprentice? Palpatine was born on Naboo, the eldest son of House Palpatine's patriarch Cosinga and his wife. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the MawInstallation community, Press J to jump to the feed. Examples from both continuities showed that furthermore, some of the more potent dark force abilities was unlocked by two Sith working in tandem. Press J to jump to the feed. Then what I've seen from Luke he can do it in his sleep. After all, he's the one and only urban jedi. Weaker: Yoda. Vader should grow stronger in the force and someday overthrow Sidious, just as Sidious overthrew Plageuis, and Plageuis overthrew his master, and so on all the way back to Darth Bane. Palpatine could not give less of a shit about the Rule of Two. Conveniently for Palpatine, Vader was crippled but still alive after his duel with Obi-Wan. It's more about what the force wants than what the master wants.